Evil Genius Chat

Baloogan · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:06 am Post subject: Door access levels.

Question: Why isn't there a access level on a door that is a type 2 but with guards guarding the door? I would think that that should be an option.
Eg: I would like 2 guards guarding my stonghold but still allow workers to pass through.
Is this changed in the full version?

TemporaryTomato · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:38 am Post subject:

I think it's the same in the full version... Sad

Real Biochemist Hostage · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Door access levels.

TheGangsterAngel · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:07 pm Post subject:

Yeah but... still u had the god dam code u should have done it in a checkbox. I love this game, and no offence to you or any of the team but i think it was a pathetically stupid thing to not allow all doors be guarded,
u also should of let guards stand at the side of a door, not beside it

Shepherd · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:55 pm Post subject:

I'm going to add "nail feet to floor" power to the list of suggestions for the sequel. Fix guards wherever you want and hey, it's evil.

The Joker · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject:

If you do that, how can they leave their posts to go gang-swarm any agents getting too close to the door?

Baloogan · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject:

hmmmm it still seems like an easy change, I mean, for the depth and immersibiblity, and I think - from my total lack of any experience programming - that it would be easy to patch.

Shepherd · Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:

Bennor · Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject:

My opinion is WHOOPDY-DOO just trap the damn doors for god sakes, and as for nailing gaurds to the floor, well sure its evil but its ruin the nice buff that i had put on those tiles.

TheGangsterAngel · Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject:

well Bennor u obviously a man of performance. not a man of style. traps don

evilsteven · Disposable Minion Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 5

Some ideas for a more realistic door security system:

(Levels)

* Everyone can pass
* All minions can pass
* Access on a need-to-get-in basis (1)
* Restricted (2)
* Property of evil genius (3)

(Extra Security - Can be turned on and off for all levels, except 'every can pass')

* Guards
* Possibly other stuff that might already be in the full game

Details:
(1) Minions need a reason to access a room, for example:
* Workers/socials/technicians may only access a room if they have business there (deliver object, repair stuff, put out fires) or have business in a room that is not accessible trough a non-restricted room (thus: they have to pass this room (or other restricted rooms) in order to get to where to need to be)
* Military minions are allowed acces to either train/be trained, acquire/put back weapons, take out spotted targets/assist in emergencies that take place in this room (or other rooms that are available only through this room or other restricted rooms).
* Henchmen and evil genius have full clearance.
(2) Only henchmen and evil genius may open the door.
(3) Only evil genius may pass.

One final remark:
It would be useful is a notion of presence were implemented, for example:
minions would be allowed access to a restricted (2) room if they were accompanied by a henchman or evil genius when entering the room (leaving a restricted room to enter a public room is obviously always allowed).

There are still holes in the system above and I don't know how well it fits into the current game design, but I might be a useful draft anyway.
Comments are welcome.

Baloogan · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:56 am Post subject:

Also an addon to your Details,
(3) Only evil genius may pass, and henchmen when given direct orders to walk though.

Seems so simple... sigh... to put in.

evilsteven · Disposable Minion Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 5

Take it from a starting software developer: games are about the hardest piece of software to write Razz

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You really need a solid design to keep your code managable and when writing a model that seems easy, like door security, there are always lots of details and exceptions to keep in mind: what is called 'common sense' in the real world needs to be made explicit when programming the game, otherwise you'll lose much of your realism.

Builderman · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:08 am Post subject:

Yes, but compared to other things they've done in the game, door security is pretty simple.

Weresmilodon · Disposable Minion Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 3

But it won't be changed. The game is finished, and no more changes are going to be made, unless a bug is discovered. The doors are going to stay the way they are, so les't just let this go, all right?